Actually, I certainly do not feel "victimized" by DAZ. Yes, I spent cash on Vicky, Mike2, and Steph (which BTW came for free w/ Mike2.) I spent even more today on hair... OTOH, step outside the relatively sheltered Poser world and go price some of the high-end 3D stuff out there, then come back and try to tell us how we allegedly got 'gouged'. For what DAZ provides, I believe it to be a damned good value, else I wouldn't have bought anything from 'em in the first place. Dude, also consider that P4 does nearly everything I want it to now, and that's a whole lot more than Microsoft Windows can deliver in the satisfaction department. I believe that P5 will be backwards-compatible with P4/P3 stuff... it only makes good business sense. /P