Of course, you dont have to spend anything. You could make your own. Then, after youve spent several hundred hours learning how, making mistakes, re-doing, testing and re-testing, see if $20 for Victoria 1 seems like "gouging" B) It took me ages to make a texture for Victoria. It isnt good enough to sell and couldnt recoup the man-hour costs even if I did. When you consider the cost of Poser items here and at DAZ we are damn lucky. A Poser figure at Turbosquid is on offer at $700+, that is more "real world" than we see here. Yes, the costs mount up, but they do in any hobby. Isn`t it possible that Poser 5 may have Victoria and Michael as the base figures, the same people made them and the "Dorks".