heyas mike, i learned, using poligon method that the best thing to do when u start a new model is: KEEP IT SIMPLE, AND THEN ADD DETAILS AS NECESSARY i lofted 2 curves only because i can visualise exactly where i want the next row of cvs.... i usually create a very low res surface(actually the whole body) and the will go adding knots as i feel like it. But thats just me.... actually that eye i did is the first model in NURBS in months!!! i dont know whatmethod id be using if i got deeper into it. Ultimatelly, i use very few curves to loft so i can have more control and organization over my model. thats it.... hope it helps:) loggie