I think that we should give people a chance here. I don't know Harbinger. He's probably new to 3D and hasn't had the chance to compare prices with other places. I've seen this thread numerous times through the years here in all the forums and it's usually because these folks just haven't seen how expensive the other places are. If that's the case, then $50 for a screen full of pixels can seem pretty steep. I think we should show a little patience with people who haven't gotten completely acquainted with the 3D environment yet. Name calling and insults or scoldings aren't really fair if they just don't know how things are. Just my two cents' worth. Melanie ** going back now to render some more **