Take it from a poor and broke college student, they're worth it. At the advice of a friend, I bought Mike and Daz's karate gi for my site at engei.tripod.com and have been very happy with it vs. the P4 people and a free karate gi I'd gotten previously. Much more articulation, smoother joints... the list goes on. And to top it off, Stephanie for free! Can't wait to download her. It was a bit of an expense, but it was worth it.