I got it from the Mag too. To be honest, If not for the cover disc I can't think of any reason to buy that Mag. (Even worse for Digit which had Poser3 on the cover disc) But have you found out how to get textures working in Cinema 4D V5 SE? For normal textures you first have to flip the textures upside down with UVmapper. And Transparancies don't seem to work at all. The renderer looks nice, but it won't do much good if you can't get your textures to work properly.... I'm open to suggestions. Marc