Well, being an old Lewis Carroll fan I already wondered about the self-contradiction of an "off topic" forum... what exactly was supposed to be there? 1) Something "off topic" - that would be "on topic" within the forum by definition, so it needs to be moved out 2) Something "on topic" - that would be "off topic" and we are not allowed to post "off topic" anywhere, eh? Thankfully, this has been resolved by the new discovery that "OT" really stands for... - cOmplaint & debaTe !!! :-)