I'm inclined to let them keep thinking what they do of poser then as it gets better and better we'll have a head start on them and they'll have to eat there words LOL but seriously what Steve says is the essence of it till someone produces a top notch short they won't be convinced and even then some will say thats cheating so we can't win :o)....you know what really bugs me is the ones that say its cheating using a ready made poser figure NEVER show an image of theres and the ones that can character model keep quiet :o).....oh i could ramble all night on this subject and get really mad at them :o) but i strongly believe we will prove them all wrong one day just wish the day would come sooner...now anyone got a big budget so we can make this movie :o)........Steve