Just a question .. are these "crudely made" models that those in your group are using made from scratch? i mean, did they make them themselves from nothing? If so, that would be a big difference. Usually, from my understanding, those who model in the "larger" programs do so without relying on premade models like the ones in Poser. i think the whole point for many of them is the fact that they did it all themselves with their programs instead of using and building on meshes, etc. that someone else made. If this is true, then i have to ask what the untapped market is ... know what i mean? i love Poser. i really really do. And i want to get better in it. i also happen to think that having the model already there in Poser to build on cuts down a LOT on the work that has to be done to achieve the sort of character i want to make. i have to give respect where it is due and say anyone who creates anything from scratch and doesn't use premade meshes is doing a LOT and with practice can only get better.