erm, is it just me or is pnevai trying to hark back to the ideals hit upon the last time he came into the forum and slated what we did? Sorry if that seems a bit harsh, pn, but you do have a habit of hacking people off. You talk about 'pure' photography. Take a recently controversial image that appeared in the gallery of a pair of breasts belonging to some guy's wife. I suppose that was photography, as it was unadulturated, unaltered and left as it came out of the camera. My work however involves possibly going back to the same place 2 or 3 times to get the lighting right so that it will merge well with another image that I do in Photoshop. Is that not photography? Ponder, if you will, which is closer to true photography. Why not offer to Mod a new gallery and forum 'Pure Photography?' then you can make your own rules up as you go along. Mike (",)