Yes, then it definately has to do with the 3ds polygon count. I know this because Mike and I will often run into this with our convertions of the models we do. We have seen the little triangles.....unfortunately UV mapper really increases the polygon count. Although I have been experimenting with this conversions, I can get good results if I split the verticies, save, then convert back to a 3ds and will get rid of the triangles when I import it back into poser as a 3ds. Sharen PS: I am going to come up with a formula so it works with all models out there without loosing important detailed information, and when I do, I will make millions.....ha ha ha...just kidding, when I do though I am going to post it so all can benefit.