See.. :) Good thing that you found that too. lol For a while back there I thought it was me that was totally bonkers. It was after I got UV mapper Pro, that I saw that these models really have some serious problems. Not sure why they seem to work better when I convert them out of Plant studio in VRML format, - maybe it chops off some of those verticles on its way? How did you get that upper flower?? Did you take the flower via some conversion program?? Britt