Ah yes, transparancy - I remember now. Sorry for the ommission. There was a game a few years ago called "Land of Lore Guardian of Destiny" where one of the "Ancient Stones" played a clip of "Belial" being executed by "The Droicle". "Belial's" hair showed every strand(Amazingly Realistic - probably done with lightwave). an effect i'm intrested in recreating and my perspective is obviously different from yours, willf, because of that. mapping a new hair style is one of the most difficult things to do in poser except maybe for creating a four or more footed creature from scratch. But then maybe I shouldn't be so critical. Keep trying dwanemoody you'll get it! You might try making the model in say truspace,carrera,amapi or ??? and import it poser.