I don't see another post from you Vile. Also--why don't you bring this up in the Bryce forum again--I can't honestly remember who was involved in the discussion but he had a decent answer. A discussion about transmaps would be a good thing. I remember when I first did Anton's peacock with the transmapped tails. What a nightmare until I figured it out. I actually printscreened and printed it out (the 'material lab) so I wouldn't forget and I referred to it doing the Kyoko hair but there are several layers and it sort of confounds the whole thing. Might be a really good thread. Diane B