well... okay with out the tree an hour for a 800x600 render .. with the tree no end in sight( I have a gazebo in the foreground .. statues in the middle just in front of a tree , the render that took an hour only had the floor of the gazebo and the statues) .. not good because the tree was what I wanted to be in the distance LOL.. oh well .. But thank you for your help Alleycat!