Thanks for the encouragement guys, I am going to try and implement all your ideas! ;o) Buffer - I don't know much about guns! so not sure which one you mean ;o) The two rifle type guns that you can see well(There are 5 differnt guns in the scene) The guy close apparantly has a M4A1, and the guy shooting has a M249 again apparantly! ;o) as luck would have it both are by JOE LE GECKO a member here at renderosity! They were in a pack of all the weapons from the computer game counter strike... well I say all, I've not played it so I don't know ;o) aanyway! back to the point, they WERE in free stuff -search counter strike- but his site seems to be down :o( I would love some textures! :o) how big are they zipped? cheers Steve