Upir, I wonder what transparency maps and whatever other features that distinguished poser 4 from poser 3 seemed like. I think poser has a niche (sp?) and is aware of the constraints (pricewise) of the user base. I don't expect it to be too different from what it is now. Of course, I could be completely wrong. i agree SimonWM, once stuff extend beyond the $300 zone, it loses it's appeal (and affordability) for me. I'm happy with P4, so if P5 is out of my $ range, or can't use what I have, I'm in no hurry to switch. eric