Actually, Victoria and Mike are available here in the Renderosity Marketplace. I did a lot of scrolling through pages and finally found the Victoria 1 CD, and a combo pack of Vicky and Mike 1. Vicky 2 and Mike 2 are liable to be here somewhere. I have better things to do than spend more time looking. I suppose Poser66 wasn't aware that Vicky is sold. I must confess that she is hard to miss. Just spend a few minutes looking around, and you can easily see. Ron