Hi Martin, me old buddy I KNOW youre not that fond of Pro Pack, but youre wrong, my dear Martin, believe me. There was a time I agreed with you, but not anymore, not since SP3 for the Pro Pack has come out. We had quite a correspondence about this subject, but let me tell you this: if you have Poser 4.03 (latest update) AND latest update for Pro Pack (SP3, I believe), things will work- Mac and PC! I have made some dirty hacks into the system to make it behave, admittedly- but they work: and BETTER even, in certain aspects, than they run under PC. QuickDraw routines seem to be much nicer to Poser than WMManager stuff in Windows. My Creators, for instance, WILL run faultlessly under almost any circumstance- when you run them straight from the Poser menu, and dont use the Mainbutton foolery. This is the one and only weak point of Python implementation for the Mac, which you can nullify by using this route. What my programs do, is that they take Poser by the scruff of its neck, and force it (! I put some mighty powerful code here!) to face the right way again. Of course you can run them from mainbuttons, but be prepared for some nonsense on the screen from time to time; but when this happens, just close the Python buttons, run one of my programs straight from the menu, and voila- Poser is suddenly back to normal again. Tested: 8.6,9.2,10.01 Anyway, my programs totally take over Poser, and work much faster than Poser. There is no need to go back to Poser till you finished, since you can render all the while, so you can clearly see what youre doing- plus you can save what you are doing, and/or save the starting point, so its just sheer luxury- INPOSSIBLE without PPP. No, PPP is about the best thing since sliced bread, especially, or better: SINCE PPP update 3 has come out. I work with standard Poser from time to time, and have grown to dislike it more and more. Its large, not-very-clever bums for bumps, its slow screen redrawals, and lastly it not having Python abilities, make it just not professional enough. PPP is flexible, and worth a second look- you can take my word for it. Personally, I wouldnt like to be without: it works faster. A LOT faster. Ever yours, Paul C. Bos By the way: if you plan to buy the Mac PPP mainly for Python scripts, you make the right decision for your banknotes- its now worth every penny. Go to http://www.pcbos.nl/Poser_Website/Poser_Web.html and see a few possibilities