Ok, right, as obp's... I totally forget that format of bryce, cause I'm always dealing with obj, and 3ds... Another thing I was thinking is modeling a trunk in Rhino, which can then just be fit to any tree so that it covers the trunk... I gotta see how that works... and you're right about the metaballs.. It's so much work just to get one tree right, that's why i kind of forgot about it for a while... And posted cause I figured, somebody out there has got to have the same problems... Well, I wish you luck with your project and hope that people respond... On the good side though, this tree generator of Bryce's is very cool, and it's almost there, except for this bump in the tree business... but other than that, you can definitely get some great trees out of it... Hopefully, before the end of the year, corel will have an update that eliminates that... The problem is corel just has so many fingers in so many pies that they never came up with.. I mean, they have painter, they have Wordperfect, the have Kai's stuff, they have Bryce... I imagine Photopaint, which I own, works well cause they came out with it from the git go... Or maybe I'm wrong there... Let's hope they come out wiht a fix soon... :)