noooooooooooooooooo! i'm using your smeggin 4.05 patch you told me was so good. :P :) i can't use 4.01; i tried. but i built the scene in 4.03, and earlier versions won't even read it. the render came up 'out of memory.' but it said it was 100% done. i was rendering to disk :/ i dunno how long it sat there saying 'out of memory,' i was taking a nap.