OH!!!!!!! OH I FOUND IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! mike, you're NOT a goof, you just reminded me! the next time i opened vue, it asked me if i wanted to rescue an abnormally terminated render. i forgot to open it and look at what came out. its THERE!!! there's no glow, but at this point, i aint complaining! cool. better not be any ideas about more haze and fog and snow this time. this thing is DONE or ELSE!