Thnx senjin, I have a 10gig drive, and right now its got 6.27gigs free, so free space isn't the issue. I might try doing what you suggest regarding my video card, and see what happens. auditv, thnx I'll consider that. If the money comes along I might just invest in another pc, keeping this one for "non 3d stuff". I'll try experimeting with opengl, video card settings and the like, but I'm not hopeful ;) Thanx JoeBlack