More good stuff, geep. Experiment with different display styles while using the grouping tool. Wireframe mode will select "through" the mesh and pick up the polygons on the front and back. That is good for "roughing in". Lit Wireframe mode will select only what is facing the camera, so it is easier to "fine tune" your selection. Also remember that if you save as a Cr2 or Pz3 after using the grouping tool, part or all of the mesh will be embedded in the file, and is technically not redistributable, and you might get into copyright trouble. That can also cause problems for Pro Pack users that don't have the latest updates.