I don't hold my breath on the release of Poser 5. It'll happen, but I'm not anxiously awaiting for it. When it gets here, it'll get here, but past history on these things has taught me not to get too anxious waiting for upgrades. If it happens this year at all, it'll probably be later, maybe around the holidays. I've seen a lot of these things released around the holidays because they know people will put out a lot of money at that time of year. I just want them to make sure it's good and functional before they release it. If they let it out too soon, before the bugs are fixed, people will holler about all the glitches. Also, a long history of that! Melanie