And Bryce.... Since my Mac addiction seems to preclude all the neato 3D Fractal apps, I take 'em into Bryce's terrain editor and apply them to symetrical lattices to make objects out of them. Haven't had time lately to try pasting a gel pict of the generating fractal over the surface.....that's the closest I can come (I think) to the cool 3D forms you guys produce.....