I'm kinda mystified as to what DAZ did to turn Mike into Steph - but I don't think I'd understand it anyways :) I'm just enjoying the fact that I don't have to convert my 15 Mike textures to Vik. I just have to remember to turn the headmorph OFF when spawning morphs for hir. Did anyone else think it weird that spyware and assasins came out the same week? :) Lyrra