Jack, How can I forget!!! It's good to be back. After the huge mess with the forum problems 6 or so months ago I moved over to the 3ds max forum. But, they just aren't as much fun. By the way it's good to see ya to. Anthony, sory I didn't answer your question before, but I was running out of the house when I replied earlyer. :^( Kev, I Downloaded their demo and it worked great, but took out (perposely) every fith poly. the maps looked great though. Thanks guys, and it's good to be back. -Gabe-