LOL CEBrown yeah what a vision Like I said I have the small round shield, The curved square"with bullet ornament", and the one you see here, they will all be posted when this all comes together. Thanx for the link matlock, I assure you this will be quite different but will be somewhat correct historically. Ikyoto: The textures are no longer in my "unskilled texturing hands" Jon has taken over and is doing a "FANTASTIC" job, there may possibly be 2 textures with this, one leather and the other of a metal variety. Thanx all for the comments.. gotta get back to work on this :O) Sprout