Guys, Please remember that we are dealing with 2 different companies: CuriousLabs and DAZ. They work together rather well, but they are separate entities. I'm not sure that CL actually makes any of the meshes. Hmmmm.... I just dug out my old copy of Poser 2, and the manual says that the models were made by Viewpoint Datalabs (forbear to Zygote and DAZ) especially for Poser. I spent some time with the DAZ folks at GDC, but they didn't even whisper about what they were up to next, besides improving the millennium family. (I put a plug in for better animals.) Anyway, we might want to divide this thread into 2 lines of thought: one directed towards the inventive model-makers and the other directed towards the good folks that allow the models to be posed and animated. Carolly