Thanks Freon I'll try that - if I softly and silently vanish away, could someone send out a search party!? Phil, I wonder sometimes why people go for these huge meshes too. From an animator's point of view, I really like to be able to switch off fast tracking and be able to see my results in real time, which is why Eve was such a God send, I can't do that with Vicky. Using the lo-res versions works out because Eve (and Mike to some extent) follows so well but Vicky's completely different. So, a plea to all modellers, please consider making a lo-res version of your characters.....