"doh, how could I forget the web people? Talk about over-looking the obvious." One might say it was right in front of your face, LOL. As far as the clip-art thing goes, if a model is licensed in such a manner that you can use the artwork created from it in commercial work (as DAZ's are) then clip-art falls under that heading. But you have to use your own original renders, not copy them off the DAZ site... and not with a warezed model either. That is the only situation where I can see DAZ being upset. I just read their license agreement this morning, so I know it's very liberal with regards to commercial work once you purchase the model. Tilandra