Oh no you want to upload here either way it is fine with me I was just saying instant message me when you upload a pic so it can be judged and I hope the info will be alright now Andy Moraitis of EtherealCreations.net and BAD3D are doing the updated PDF file so there shouldnt be any problems with the final version of the Effects Package just to let you folks know that I have been in contact with BAD3D and they are aware of the problem and we hope to have it solved BY THIS WEEKEND so for now I have re-uploaded to my site another file that has a word document that is the tutorial or you can view the actual files in JPEG format so either way you will be able to view the small tutorial on how to import the file into Bryce and how to change the Material settings so go and have fun and I am looking forward to what you guys create...GOOOD LUCK