Your not so weird just weird enough to hang around here like the rest of us. I saw a 3d Max head modeling tutorial the other day. It was in french and I don't remember where I saw it but they modeled it polygon by polygon starting around the eyes. They had front and side view reference sketches to model around. What a great feature to have. They created the mesh around the eyes in the front view and adjusted the mesh using the side and top views. and then went on to the nose and mouth and then the rest of the head. Keith