Yeeha !! the patch fixed my prob. She works fine now, but still looks rather bland, coz i can't yet figger out how to do all the texturing of the eyes, and those big ugly 'plastic' eyebrows. (what are they for anyway ) Hiram, as far as I can see, CL only has the 4.0.3 patch out, and it is available for the mac too. This should take you straight there: http://www.curiouslabs.com/products/poser4/html/poser4EnglishUpdater.html Fanx again for the help guys !! :) Off to search for Vicky2 texture tutorials... ;)