I'm glad someone appreciated it. :) Regarding Susan Kitchens' book, you couldn't have found a better Bryce reference. It was the first Byce book I ever read, and it remains (for me) the most informative graphics software book. It deals with all of the technical aspects needed and doesn't ignore that the ultimate goal is artistic in nature. I also come from a traditional media background, so I know how you feel. I get the feeling that a lot of people think of computer graphics as a shortcut to art, when I've found it's just the opposite. If anything, it requires all of the knowledge I gained in the "real" world to function artistically in 3D. Conversely, having spent time working with Bryce and Carrara Studio has helped my 2D work considerably (most notably with thinking in three dimensions. Sounds obvious, but I see things differently now when I draw). As for the apples an oranges analogy . . this site IS about apples, but most people think it's about Tang. :) -Otis