Opps - pressed enter too fast.... Anyway - Hi, Me again.. I'm getting some hang at modeling withint Rhino now, and even managing to learn some tricks to doing bended surfaces... a long way to go I have - however, now I know I need to look at getting UVmapping and bump maps and specmaps. However, I have no cool about these, or how to make them. I looked at 3d Painter, and wow that was painful (on a p233 with 96 megs of ram it was soooooooooooo slow) so I'm using the little program called UVmapper. Now this is where I'm confused... UVMapper makes the BMP that you draw on so small... is this supposed to happen? Also - has anyone got any UVmapped textures they can show me - or some tutorials on how to do UVmapping. I haven't much looked at this aspect yet - and I'm sure that if I did I could get some good stuff out (one hopes) tracy-ann