Thanks ghost :)) Crecent - yeah sure, I have been learning lots on making stuff with Rhino - most of it is still WAY new for me. Rhino was the best thing dad bought me, because all in all without it I couldn't model anything :)) I looked at 3dmax at a friends house, and sorry to say it doesn't work as well in NURBS as Rhino does. For 700 (or less, since I am a student) Rhino is a wonderful product. Bryce of course appears to be one of the best rendering programs also (epseically for price) I have never used it for animation (hell still learning texturing) but since I don't think I ever will do animation - I wouldn't need anything as powerful as 3dmax... Anyway - looking at your reply - yeah I figured that is what I would do but what about the size? Like I mean - I create a 1024x768 UVmap (which should be WAY big enough for a 800x600 rendering) and when I goto do the UVmapper stuff I get a small 600x200 picture (or something like that) Why isn't it in 1024x768?? Tracy.