I agree completely Turtle. Ive only tried the demo, but on the strength of it have got the software on order. Its the speed that sold it. A Bryce render of a nude Vicky (hooray!) with hair, 1 light, no ground and a default sky took 45 mins. In Vue it took 11 mins, but Vicky had clothes on (boo!) the same hair, with two lights - one volumetric, a water plane with reflections and soft shadows. Bryce is now consigned to a shelf.