Thanks! I've made one more change to this dude and that's to fatten him up a little. He still looked to insectish. I've already started the vertex modeling now. My second serious wire frame project (chewing nails and cursing but learning all the while). I'm following a similar Litst pathway modeling the head and body first. Then I'll extrude some legs out of this and finish with the feet and eyes. Frogs also have some interesting bumps in their hind end where their pelvis pushes up their skin so that will have to come in. How will I ever do frog lips! The texture is going to be interesting considering most of these critters have a cooler lighter colored belly and chin. I'm following the litst tutorial pathway for the eye when I get there as well modifying it for the cats eye pupil difference. One challenge at a time. BTW, I have created a scene with my walkers but so far the scenes aren't very good and I'm working on them. I have a whole OTHER project that I'm working on for a friend to recreate a house his great grandfather built in the late 1800's which burned down. Too much stuff to do! I'm also waiting on one more thing and we're ready for the next contest! Contest first, projects later. -Kix

-Kix