This is true, Kevin.... I see a lot of people are getting confused in the process including me.. BUT I must add I appreciate Larry's efforts and all the hard work he's doing trying to get a patch out here that works.... I think that should be said outright... It's his baby and I trust whatever he does puts out here is with the greatest interest in the users of Poser... The forum is the perfect place to test these patches and we are gettin good feedback from the ones who have bravely put the patches to test...It's all appreciated.... =) ~Cindy