So so so much better than the dork. I don't think men's faces are so unlined, IMHO. I tend to think we are a more cragy lot. Love the 5 o'clock shadow on Patrick! Just a thot. Using the goatee on Eric's tex as the base, should we be able to transmap a beard prop over it? They are standing a bit TOO close together aren't they? (Ok ok I retract that.... :) [ducks] jje