That's the rub. Except for Poser crashing last week, I haven't ever had any real problems with, once I started to get a handle on it. The big problem for me was going from Poser 2 to Poser 4. I didn't even know that there was a Poser 3 till I bought 4. I think that I will wait. I have to much time invested right now in the sheer number of hours that I have spend re-installing from the last time and I still am not even half way finished. Thanks, for the info