Thanks Davo! I will copy that down. I actually have access to Truspace 4, but it's a little complicated, and I'm a SLOW learner. Is Organica easier than Truspace? I used to sculpt a clay head on a wooden artist mannequin, take a polaroid, colorize the pictue on my computer, and paste the image on the head of a Poser 1 render. The results are best forgotten. I cast a bust of King Kong in resin, and a "garage kit" of the Id monster from Forbidden Planet. Maybe I will post them to one of the galleries.