hmmmm.... not quite what i had in mind, guys. that's interesting 4th, but i'd drive myself nuts trying to get the ridges to be all proportional and to curl around like that... although... hmm, i might give it a try. now the rest of yas got them smooth horns. well, i could do that! ;) i need them ridgy things. i hate that seashell tool, but you can use a torus with it? i'll have to try that one. i was also thinking of messing with spiralizer, but i don't think it'll do what i want, either. thanks for the hints, guys, and keep 'em coming if you got more! :)