Using poser at a basic level is simple - but once you get 'under the hood' that it starts getting obscure. And of course the truly slick poser wizards keep wandering back in and saying "look at what we can do now!" I read the forums just to keep up to date - the whole MAT Mor pose thing, ERC morphs, easypose - the end products all make life easier, but the actual process is still beyond most of us. And you know, thats okay :) Most artists can't make their brushes or paints or canvas - but they can use 'em just fine. The people here are pushing Poser past anything that even the designers thought possible - you have to expect a few bumps when you're shoving back the frontier. :) Lyrra