(all wonderful images doruk!) bsteph, i know what u mean... but imo the glass is it only at first sight. lines pointing to a hole... mh, well... i would take the fence for best. tell u: even if the sky is only about the top sixth of the pic, the fence leads ur looks to it. und at last the empty sky is (also a bit due to its brightness, ok...) the end point of ur looks. u may notice that u hardly can concentrate on the flowers down there in the foreground. that would not happen if the fence wasn*t there, imo. and for the stairs i'm with u anyway... wonderful!