I think the most frustrating aspect of all this is that I know I'm a reasonably intelligent person yet, as simple as some of this stuff appears to be I simply cannot grasp it no matter how hard I try. Jaager, don't you EVER stop being helpful, you hear me? I'm not the only one who looks forward to your explanations and directions when faced with a problem that's driving me batty. The problem is that so many people seem to be moving ahead in leaps and bounds and some of us, who have been working with Poser for years, are struggling to keep up. And some, like me, just don't get it, no matter how you explain it. It's like that soft global light set, the thing is awesome, but if you want the light anywhere other than dead center of your scene you have to deal with a bazillion light handles (ok, I'm exaggerating - it's only something like 26) and you get overwhelmed just thinking about changing anything. I dunno. I guess I just feel like I'm being left behind in the dust with a confused look on my face at times. I'll get over it. Kate (who still reserves the right to gripe about it from time to time. g)