I have the following apps for modeling: LightWave, max, carrara, raydream, truespace, Rhino and maya complete. By far the best modeler is LightWave. I use it about 95% of the time for modeling. It is on sale now through april, 15 at $995. It is not just the best modeller but also has the best renderer in the business. It is also an animation package that is close to the best. Best app if you are working with Poser in my opinion. Call them an let them know you want the upgrade pricing even if you do not own one of the upgrade packages on their list. Ron