Thanks for reply Cindy. What I did was got a p4 charater from freestuff and the only way I could get it to load was to create a folder called p4nude woman and copy and rename the p3 geometry into it so the character would have a reference .The characters look for the P4 geometry I guess whew! Is there a easier way to do this? I wont be able to pick up P4 program for a while. Again thanks for the help